why did Jesus tell his disciples to "look for the signs of my return in the Sun, the Moon and the stars"?
Why didn't the Magi, who were astrologers, betray the location of Jesus to Herod? They took a different route home. The three Magi are all sainted. Am I not to follow the teachings of the master or the example of those who followed a star to his side?
why did Jesus tell his disciples to "look for the signs of my return in the Sun, the Moon and the stars"?
Why didn't the Magi, who were astrologers, betray the location of Jesus to Herod? They took a different route home. The three Magi are all sainted. Am I not to follow the teachings of the master or the example of those who followed a star to his side?
And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all tribes of the earth mourn: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with much power and majesty.
Similarly in Mark 13:24-26 & Luke 21:25-27
The Magi were certainly astronomers. Is there evidence they were also astrologers, believing the stars & planets influenced, even had control over our lives?
They were warned in a dream not to return to Herod.
It's called a star but a distant star can't be seen moving with any precision, as in over the cave where Jesus was born. It must have been a supernatural phenomenon or a bright angel.
Oh they were warned in a dream; so they are scientists who also get messages from the collective unconscious that they know to be true and honor out of faith in God. I get it.
They were warned in a dream which came from God, Who uses His angels for such things. It has nothing to do with "collective unconscious," if such a thing even exists. I'm done but go ahead & have the last word if you like.
Astronomers do not take celestial events as "signs" and then embark with their entourage for hundreds or thousands of miles with faith and certainty to honor what they know is a religious event. An astronomer would make a notation in their lab notebook. So the moment the Star of Bethlehem is taken by the Magi as a sign of the birth of Jesus, they are transformed into astrologers.
why did Jesus tell his disciples to "look for the signs of my return in the Sun, the Moon and the stars"?
Why didn't the Magi, who were astrologers, betray the location of Jesus to Herod? They took a different route home. The three Magi are all sainted. Am I not to follow the teachings of the master or the example of those who followed a star to his side?
Maybe you're referring to Matthew 24: 29-30:
And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all tribes of the earth mourn: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with much power and majesty.
Similarly in Mark 13:24-26 & Luke 21:25-27
The Magi were certainly astronomers. Is there evidence they were also astrologers, believing the stars & planets influenced, even had control over our lives?
They were warned in a dream not to return to Herod.
It's called a star but a distant star can't be seen moving with any precision, as in over the cave where Jesus was born. It must have been a supernatural phenomenon or a bright angel.
Oh they were warned in a dream; so they are scientists who also get messages from the collective unconscious that they know to be true and honor out of faith in God. I get it.
They were warned in a dream which came from God, Who uses His angels for such things. It has nothing to do with "collective unconscious," if such a thing even exists. I'm done but go ahead & have the last word if you like.
For all practical purposes, we are in agreement.
The sun moon stars quote is revelation.
Astronomers do not take celestial events as "signs" and then embark with their entourage for hundreds or thousands of miles with faith and certainty to honor what they know is a religious event. An astronomer would make a notation in their lab notebook. So the moment the Star of Bethlehem is taken by the Magi as a sign of the birth of Jesus, they are transformed into astrologers.
You can call them astrologers. If they are, they are for noble purpose, in this case seeking the prophesied new born King of the Jews.