50 Comments

I do believe Jon Rappoport in a past life was a speech writer for Moses. "Fuck the Oppressors-We don't give in-no matter what" What a spot on article. I could solve the bullshit coming out of Academia tomorrow. Cut off the money. Let the ivory towered con artist's sell their rubbish to the general public and see if they buy it. I think not. From Volvo's to begging bowls in one semester. Of course people make choices. The individual makes choices. Ever heard of a group making a choice to fornicate? I made a choice to quit college. Then I made a choice to listen and learn from people like Jon Rappoport, Celia Farber,Catherine Austin Fitts, ect. One denigrates the spirit of humanity and all that's good about humans when one says "there is no free will". There is always a choice. Anyone who thinks there isn't is a worm.

Expand full comment

> Ever heard of a group making a choice to fornicate?

Yesh, it's called an Orgy Formation

Expand full comment

A piece like this is disappointing not because I disagree, but because you are directing your derision and vitriol toward a complete mischaracterization of Desmet's ideas. You've set up a straw man to fling darts at. It's clear that you haven't read his book, and I wonder if you've ever even listened to him interviewed.

Desmet is not saying that people are not responsible for their own behavior. He is however, offering a sound psychological explanation for why otherwise intelligent people are

a) choosing to believe preposterous explanations unsupported by any credible data

b) intolerant of all explanations that oppose the official narrative, even while they are supported by mountains of highly credible data.

If you're going to attack his ideas on why he thinks this is so, read the book or at least listen to an interview. Then if you write something critical, you'll at least be criticizing what he actually put out there, not some crap you made up because you're in a bad mood or you hate psychology.

He is not saying people aren't responsible for their choices and decisions. On the contrary, he's in agreement that we as individuals are absolutely responsible for our own thinking, including the choice to let other people think for us. He, like others is also arguing that there is a massive and well executed effort to propagandize and manipulate people, to unconsciously influence their choices and decision making process. It's been going on in advertising for decades, and in countless well -documented government operations. Part of the solution according to Desmet is for those of us who are awake and aware, to stay vocal. This keeps hard core people from becoming completely comfortable with their decision to go along with the propaganda, and may succeed in bringing some others off the fence in the direction of sanity.

Expand full comment

Desmet has a whole chapter in his book poo pooing conspiracy theories, as if there is no cause or point of origin with this C0\/!|) bullshit.

Dr Breggins artfully dismantles that chapter and basically helps the reader realise that Desmet is running cover for the perpetrators

Expand full comment

Agree, Teresa. Jon obviously didn't even make an attempt to understand what Desmet is saying. Same with Catherine Fitts, who interestingly made the polar opposite dismissive of Desmet, claiming he's "blaming the victims".

I usually love hearing from Jon and Catherine, but on this issue they're being entirely irrational.

Expand full comment

When Desmet initially released his book then went onto several podcasts to promote it he didnt present any solutions or what was lacking in the individual which made them so susceptible to a mass adoption of mass formation.

It was a confirmation of sorts, implying that the billions spent in propaganda research and mass media advertising was succesful. To a lot of us on the outside (so to speak) a phenomena like Mass Formation made sense, helped explain as to why the global sapping of rebellion or any kind of individual objection happened.

Its weird that there is fresh debate raging over Desmet and Mass Formation now, wasn't any months ago when his book first came out

Expand full comment

Not true! He said in interviews that the more educated a person was, the more susceptible they were to the Psyop. That made sense to me, because out of my family, I'm the only one without a DEGREE in something. And I'm also the only one who didn't believe the Lies. The rest bought the Kool-Aid! They are all 4 shots in and waiting for the 5th! I don't understand it at all.....and nothing I say, nothing I show them,...absolutely nothing can change their minds. Not one thing.

Expand full comment

There's a bell curve of IQ in that sort of scenario, the lowest 5-15% on the curve distrust it, the highest 5-15% also distrust it and the majority in the middle which represents 70-90% of the population just go with the flow.

Also he would say that wouldn't he? He's very educated with degrees, making him either susceptible to the psyop or a promoter of it, whether intentionally or not!

Expand full comment

I’m not sure you understand either the concept of mass formation or Mathias Desmet who is not exactly in an ivory tower in some Ivy League school. He’s been shunned by his colleagues for years because they don’t like his ideas. People like Malone have bastardized his work. I usually agree with you but not this time. Tucker Carlson did an extensive interview with Desmet on Fox Nation a couple weeks ago. He’s a brilliant man, a good thinker, and offers solutions. I suggest that you check it out before doing another gratuitous hit piece on one of the very few academics in psychology who have something useful to offer.

Expand full comment

Is it a rehash of Wilhelm Reichs The Mass Psychology of Fascism ? https://www.wikiwand.com/en/The_Mass_Psychology_of_Fascism However. It's very Freudian. I think Franco Basaglia hit the nail on the head with his analysis of psychiatric abuses as being identical to racism and antisemitism.

Expand full comment
Comment deleted
Sep 12, 2022Edited
Comment deleted
Expand full comment

I’m not familiar with either story, but, even if true, I don’t see how they invalidate his theory.

Expand full comment
Comment deleted
Sep 12, 2022Edited
Comment deleted
Expand full comment

I don’t agree. Btw the link above goes to Peter Breggin’s review of Desmet’s’ book, not to any info about the claim that he didn’t report someone who planned to murder someone.

Breggin, an MD and Harvard trained psychiatrist, is not in my view a paragon of clear or comprehensive thinking. His book is based on the idea that pathogenic viruses exist. All the praise of his work comes from other fuzzy thinkers who believe the same despite the evidence to the contrary. Nevertheless, he makes a good point now and then as do his promoters (RFK jr, McCoullough, etc.). I try not to dismiss people I disagree with or who have a different world view. Even a broken clock...

If Desmet in his psychotherapy practice didn’t report a patient to the authorities, it could be because it wasn’t called for (are you familiar with the regs on that?), because he doesn’t like involving the state in his clinical practice (example: referrals to CPS typically result in too little intervention or too much and can even be a segue to child trafficking), or he made an error in clinical judgment. If it happened at all, and was an error in judgment, I hate to tell you but that happens. And I don’t see it as the reason to discount the totality of his work on that basis.

I’ve just started Desmet’s book after listening to at least 3 extended interviews with him over the past year. Breggin’s claim that he’s blaming the victim is a stretch. And suggesting that all psychoanalytic therapists are Freudian is uninformed to say the least. By his definition, anyone who questions or thinks about human motivation is blaming the victim. He sounds like an 80 year old snowflake whom everything offends.

People are more than behavior modification subjects. They are driven by motivation. To help someone look inward to better understand why they believe what they do, react emotionally in a certain way, and tend to be drawn to people that take advantage or abuse them, is in my experience a worthwhile endeavor. In fact it changes lives for the better.

Maybe at the time he wrote his book Desmet didn’t understand the big picture, the evil that was planned for years. His focus seems to have been why so many people went along with it, still are going along (witness the ongoing masking, especially, in medical clinics and hospitals). He certainly doesn’t pretend that totalitarianism is anything but evil. His theory about why people so enthusiastically go along with policies and programs destined if not designed to hurt them is on point and deserves consideration.

It’s short sighted at best to dismiss him because he didn’t address an issue that you think is also important, because of some rumor about his clinical practice (there are a lot of hit jobs out there usually directed at people who are over the target), because he built on the work of others, or even because he is not correct about everything.

You have not made any arguments that counter his theory. You’re just attacking him personally. That’s what people do who have an agenda or who can’t tolerate a difference of opinion. It’s not a good look.

Expand full comment

Jon you hit it today.

I'm amazed at just how many people are ready and WILLING to not think for themselves and leave that little chore and there freedom on the doorstep of . "I'm for the current thing."

Expand full comment

But they didn't "leave their freedom at the doorstep". They exercised that freedom, that choice by choosing to go with the current thing. Why does no one ever get this, lol.

Expand full comment

No they didn't. Millions of them were told if you don't get the shots and get boosted you will lose your job. Lose your chance to have your child at a hospital. Lose your ability to FLY, to go Skiing. You won't be able to go to the High School PROM. Lose your ability to do anything! You MUST get a VAX CARD or your life is over!

That's not Freedom to CHOOSE!!! There was no information on the inserts about the risks either and the lies kept saying it's SAFE! IT WORKS! All LIES. There are 1500 really nasty Side Effects to that VAX and that includes DEATH. And Big Pharma KNEW IT BEFORE THEY PUT IT OUT.

Don't blame the people who trusted a government they have been indoctrinated to TRUST for decades! It's not their fault. They were LIED TO!

Expand full comment

I'm not talking about your government giving you the freedom (that would be a new one on me BTW). I'm talking about individual, internal, SOUL choice. A person may seem dumb but deep down they often know its a load of BS but are too scared or cowardly to exercise their freedom to fight back. They chose the safe way. Meanwhile a lot of the braver types spoke up loudly. I remember having peculiar circular arguments with my friend at the time. I realised he was not really interested in "saving lives" but was part of the peculiar dysfunction going on at the time, hence the attraction of "mass formation". NEWS FLASH: Over the last 200 years humans have created innumerable F ups (yes the "So it begins, the greatest F up of our times" meme). I'm a Christian and turn to the Lord when I realise I don't know what I'm doing. Back then as well. Millions were just muddling through. I think on the most part they did a terrific job.

Expand full comment

Key words... 'current thing'.

Whichever way the wind blows. No choosing required. Plug and play.

Expand full comment

That's what they think education is...or should I say feel.

Expand full comment

Jon, We both agree on C19 and the non-connection of HIV & AIDS, including the directed "cash flows" of astronomical proportions and massive, despotic, power grabs any king would be jealous of.

Critical thinking for me, in part comes from my background in master's + level physics, math, statistics.

Relevant to you, in the 1980s, Dr John Kapoor, of Lyphomed fame (AZT mfgr), was my customer for a stock market trading computer and software I put together and wrote for him. We had several "fireside chats" about AZT, AIDS and HIV. Paraphrasing him, John told me that even though he was making boku bucks with AZT, that, if HIV existed, it was a harmless virus because maybe half of the AIDS patients tested "negative" for a HIV antibody and there were no symptoms of HIV, only ARC (AIDS related complex) and if pts died, they died of ARC maladies. i.e. never of HIV. As I recollect, his main theory on cause of AIDS was recreational drug abuse, as so many AIDS patients were drug abusers. Apparently big Pharma is trying to silence him. I noticed, in your book, AIDS Inc. that you never mentioned Dr Kapoor, only AZT. I hope my experience with Dr Kapoor helps your "loop" on the corruption of big Pharma and Dr Mengele', its head, administratively, financially, and as part of big Gov through so many US regimes. I can't imagine such evil.

Fast forward to "Mass Formation Psychosis", I read Desmet's book, "Psychology of Totalitarianism". I agree with Desmet's diagnosis of "psychosis" but disagree the psychosis is from "hypnosis." Strong evidence on the "non-existence" of "hypnosis" came from my personally knowing James Randi ( www.randi.org ), who had a $1,000,000 reward for ~30 years, to anyone who could demonstrate such capabilities as "hypnosis", psi, etc. Randi was a 1 in a billion human being.

IMHO, the psychosis is due, not to hypnosis, but to an almost complete breakdown of the education system in the US and many countries, clearly goosestepping to the NWO banker/oligarchs, who focus on brainwashing people to "believe" rather than "critically think and analyze". Organized religion doesn't help critical thinking, as it demands that its followers "believe" what's written and told to them, rather than gathering data and thinking. That, combined with the deletion of civics, ethics into school curriculums, the introduction of NWO "woke" agendas, and the mainstream media's (MSM), goosestepping with NWO activists to push parents to be little more than Lemmings. The success of the MSM and big GOV and Pharma can be estimated from observing people on the street and driving who wear masks.

Expand full comment

Yes, let's always remember that Chomsky (Drone Onsky) has made lots of currency and, worse, has garnered unwarranted respect and regard. And his hot air has been a real threat to the environment for decades. And he wasn't even a good linguist.

Expand full comment

With academic intellectual psychobabble designed to advance careers ,with the huge negative consequence of enabling the lemmings among us , to be lemmings ; it is fitting to observe the MSM pretending to act as though we individuals are all forsworn loyal indoctrinated members of Jim Jones’ tragic Guyana cult …. Jon beautifully elucidates in this article that we indeed are not.

Expand full comment

Basically true, as usual, John. But I think most people who have jumped on the Mass Formation bandwagon, initially or eventually saw that the whole operation was BS, and many pushed back. It's just another way to help us understand the people who bought into the narrative, hook, line, and sinker, despite many of our best attempts to get them to exit the Matrix.

Expand full comment

What if they choose to stay in the Matrix ? Are they really that unaware ? In spiritual terms some can be in profound sleep states often created by abuse and bad upbringings. But that can't cover everyone. I've struggled with this myself; The bastards ! Why don't they just liberate themselves ! Yet who am I to say what is going on in someone's life, what they are really thinking. They could have a whole secret resistance movement going on in their back room and you'd never know.

Expand full comment

There's also super crafty perception management employed, so even if there's mass formation for protests happening with millions forming en-masse in city centres, you wont hear about it on the radio or the mainstream media etc etc

Expand full comment

😎 excellent article. As usual. Thank you Jon.

Might go talk on my red phone in the bath tub lol

Expand full comment

Exactly.

Expand full comment

the naked truth...

Expand full comment

“A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.”

― Saul Bellow

Expand full comment

I'm with you Jon. Psychobabble for sure. The first time I listened to Desmet propose his theory, I was confused so I listened to part of another interview and came to the conclusion that this guy was way out on a limb. He's really making the rounds. I won't take any more time with it. Finally I read Dr. Breggin break this down; and of course he's getting the usual from those that believe they are victims. Thank you and the other best of the best minds letting people know: DON'T FALL FOR IT.

Expand full comment

You've done it again. Clear as a bell. My deepest thanks.

Expand full comment

> Because SIMPLE and STARK are your enemies.

Amen to that!

My objection is simple and stark. Im not mass formed so how could awareness of 'mass formation' defeat it?

Expand full comment