In all honesty, with respect to C19, there is no virus needed, only the story of a virus, plus a complicit set of "healthcare" officials under such a sociopath as Tedros ( https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/10/5-shocking-facts-about-who-chief-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus/ ) , partnering governmental agencies and judiciaries (to make things "legal"), worldwide (and/or local) mass mainstream media (MSM), all under the complicity of the central bankers to "legally" fund the crisis created by the virus story to the bottom of the sinkhole created by the story, on the way, making debt slaves, welfare slaves and lower-earning wage slaves of the masses.
Actually, the coup was in formation as a multi-generation project by an elite group of bankers, who, because of their incestuous partnership with government, mainstream media, and big business, are able to "conjure up" unlimited amounts of money, made legal by the governments they partner with. Yes, there may be rules of thumb and limits as to the moneys that can be conjured up -- but does anyone think that the elites, who got that way by not following all the rules, will now keep all the rules? March 26, 2020 saw any "reserve requirement" for fractional reserve banking be lifted entirely... worthy of thought
But let's remember that money is inert, inanimate. People use money to influence the action of other people. The bribed are the ones who make the bribers happy.
There is another side to the coin of bribery == and that is, that the stakes are high enough that threats to oneself or family may be just as, or more, effective than bribes. But the elitists on the top are the bankers themselves, with unlimited "money" in their hands ... I wonder what color their blood is...
I am surprised that these "hero scientists" aren't chomping at the bit to show off for the cameras. Maybe they can also show us how in God's name they were now able to isolate polio from sewage water in NY and were able to trace it back to "patient zero". Polio is now the new disease du jour - the symptoms are coincidentally identical to a myriad of other conditions namely vaccine injury. It's so frustrating that people still can't get it through their heads that all of this constant "virus" fear mongering is just propaganda.
This intense push to vaccinate every man, woman, and child reminds me of what Rudolf Steiner predicted in 1917 in his lecture called, "the Fallen Spirits' Influence on the World". Steiner stated: "I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts, in whom they will be dwelling, to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination towards spirituality out of people's souls when they are still very young, and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today, bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another; in future, children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce, and this will make them immune, so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life — ‘foolish’ here, of course, in the eyes of materialists." - 1917
This is a little off topic, but the same can be said for archeologists who are writing our "history". The average person does not have access to their discoveries and we have no idea what was really at any archeology site and what had been hidden from the public.
Thanks for your continued efforts and incisive thinking Jon.
It is interesting that so many writers researchers etc who have all been anti-vax and who understand the Reset and the globalists’ role in this shamdemic are all almost in unison or lockstep now writing specifically about ‘there is a virus, those of you who don’t acknowledge that are hurting our cause.’
When many people suddenly go off making the same point at the same time my antennae go up.
Yep, that's really frustrating to see. I've tried engaging on this topic with some of those writers you're referring to, either on their forums or via email. Censored and no reply are the responses, respectively, every time. There's a wall up.
It appears to me that there's a psychological need for even those who think they're 'awake' to believe that all the evil began in 2020, and they wish to return to life before as if everything was good. This truth we're discussing is just too destructive to that naive worldview. It takes strength to see the big lies.
I agree with the analysis right up to the control. That one is harder (necessary but harder.) Most animals and humans contain viral particles so it seems to me a sample from someone not sick with any viral symptoms would need to be taken and then ALL viral particles in that person would need to be sequenced and identified to be certain unknowns weren’t floating in their system. Many types of cancers cells can be facilitated by viral infections - not always causing cancer but they can trigger such cells to form. So a cancer patient could very well harbor viral particles. The symptoms of SARS-COv-2 are very much like flu symptoms although there does appear to be some after effects that we don’t see in influenza infections. But your point that the isolation processes in the paper referred to are sloppy is well taken. Other labs globally claim to have isolated the virus correctly and we would need to examine the processes from each of those claims. It would be a good thing to do these days but not likely. My personal take on all of this is if you get sick find an honest practitioner of some form of medicine who will treat you and move on. Or if you are one of those honest practitioners, treat yourself and move on. Say “no” to declarations of emergencies and to mandates and fight the tyranny.
One argument I've read is that the "original" SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist anymore in the wild. Which means that any future isolation would be of a variant, which, they insist, are very different. If this is true, then there is no way to purify and isolate the original virus. Which is very convenient.
Another argument, "you can buy SARS-CoV-2 from a library of viruses. If there wasn't a virus, they couldn't sell it." I think this "library" sells software, not a real virus. It seems there are laboratories that grow and sell microbes. I'm sure there are a million regulations to make sure a virus so deadly as the original SARS-CoV-2 is not sold to a random person who wants to buy it, for "citizens' research" purposes.
Or maybe it is easy to buy a vial with a colored liquid and a label that reads "ORIGINAL SARS-CoV-2" and there is no regulation applies, because it does not contain a virus. It is just a piece of glass in a tubular shape with colored water and letters writen on it. There is no danger in a regular fraud with thousands of years of history: selling counterfeits. But if there is no original, then it is not even a counterfeit.
These two bad reasonings indicate a damaged intelligence.
Except that it's pretty clear at this point from Christine Massey's work that if anyone had an actual sample of a "covid-19" virus we'd have seen such a confirmation by now. Nope, all they have are software-generated simulations.
That first 'argument' isn't an argument. Come up with an isolate of ANY virus from patient samples. They can't. The lie is so big and blatant, that's why it persists. Too big to fail.
Seems true. The people who know they are following bioinformatics and not analytic chemistry should come clean and explain why they think that this is a valid description of a real microbe in the real world. But I think most microbiologists don't even realize they are being bamboozled by a clever computer fraud, and many wrong assumptions. The psychological need to defend their own territory is very strong. If they ever realize their state, they quietly go to the side of the deniers. Unless they are engaged in politics, which freezes people's minds.
And so, everyone has to live their own life to the best of their abilities, gaining moral autonomy along the way.
I think what they sell is this: combine monkey cells and human cells, starve cells of an essential growth requirement, once cells die, collect liquid and sell as "virus stock."
Have done cell culture for 30yrs including 15yrs training Big Pharma "virologists." Cells typically require 10% Fetal Bovine Serum (FBS) for healthy growth- the "virus production" protocol reduces FBS concentration to 1%, thus starving the cells. In some instances, growth in absence of FBS is desirable- in those cases, cells must slowly be weaned off FBS over a period of weeks as sudden withdrawal of FBS always leads to cell death. Even a slow weaning off of FBS results in a majority of cells dying- for virologists to claim this cytopathic effect is due to a virus is patent nonsense.
1)The part where you recognize the absence of any control in the virologists soup is very impactful. 2) I've invented a car that runs on human urine, but my Pee-hicle is being suppressed. My Pee-hicle would break the oil-o-garky (sorry).
I think if honesty and transparency where allowed in the virus labs, not their secrecy, none of them would have a paycheck. And the fact checkers would be caught with their pants down again. The keen challenger with his money would not have to be such an ass wipe, no then again he might have to be. But at least the big world hospital reality would now crumble to the ground. Crumble. Crumble. Crumble.
This article, by Mike Stone at his excellent viroliegy.com site, https://viroliegy.com/2022/08/08/rabies-the-virus-of-fear/ , is perhaps as close to what Jon is demanding as we can hope to get right away (for the rabies "virus"). He goes through the history of the disease, including the changing diagnostic criteria (and their unreliability). Virology: the more you look, the fraudulent it looks.
My only small disagreement is about the proper control experiment. Better than using the same procedure without a sample from a person is using a sample from a healthy person; or, even better (and as Andrew Kaufman suggested in his comments), using a sample from a person declared ill with a different illness. I'd vote for influenza, since they (the sociopaths and their shills) keep insisting that "Covid is not the flu."
STUDY: “…We used both NP and OP swab specimens for virus isolation. For isolation, limiting dilution, and passage 1 of the virus, we pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 2–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 1 and serially diluted 2-fold across the plate…”
No Negative Control or Positive Control. Should be, "pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 1, and 3–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 2 and serially diluted 2-fold across columns 2-11, with column 12 receiving no specimen, only serum-free DMEM, hence a negative control, and column 1, a positive control, a known virus. However, as they have no "known virus control," this experiment has neither a negative or positive control- trash.
Science 101- an experiment without controls is worthless. Example: Take one banana, spit on it, set it in sun for 10 days, examine now rotted banana, then announce spit causes bananas to rot. Not buying it? That's what virologists do, no controls. Now the proper experiment with controls: Take 2 bananas, spit on one, set them both in sun for 10 days, both rot, therefore spit cannot be said to cause bananas to rot. That's the entire "Have viruses been proven to exist?" argument- it's not complicated.
Actually, John F. Enders, in his 1954 publication, The cultivation of the poliomyelitis viruses in
tissue culture, which contains the cytopathic effect (CPE) procedure now widely used by virologists to "prove" a virus, did proper treated and untreated controls, stating in the paper, "it was evident that the cytopathogenic effect of the virus could be directly and easily observed in the untreated culture." In other words, cells died (bananas rotted) whether he "spit on them" or not, therefore disproving spit as the cause of cell death. Yet, the world was shut down based on claim of having spit on one banana.
These days they are "overdoing" the false isolation part. In the XIX century they had no electron microscopy, no ultracentrifuges, no computers and they falsely isolated viruses much better.
Microbiologists should try to repeat exactly the methods used in the 1800s, and see if they find anything at all. That would be very funny.
In all honesty, with respect to C19, there is no virus needed, only the story of a virus, plus a complicit set of "healthcare" officials under such a sociopath as Tedros ( https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/10/5-shocking-facts-about-who-chief-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus/ ) , partnering governmental agencies and judiciaries (to make things "legal"), worldwide (and/or local) mass mainstream media (MSM), all under the complicity of the central bankers to "legally" fund the crisis created by the virus story to the bottom of the sinkhole created by the story, on the way, making debt slaves, welfare slaves and lower-earning wage slaves of the masses.
Yes, it was a world wide coup planned for decades.
Actually, the coup was in formation as a multi-generation project by an elite group of bankers, who, because of their incestuous partnership with government, mainstream media, and big business, are able to "conjure up" unlimited amounts of money, made legal by the governments they partner with. Yes, there may be rules of thumb and limits as to the moneys that can be conjured up -- but does anyone think that the elites, who got that way by not following all the rules, will now keep all the rules? March 26, 2020 saw any "reserve requirement" for fractional reserve banking be lifted entirely... worthy of thought
Agreed with the multi-generation concept.
But let's remember that money is inert, inanimate. People use money to influence the action of other people. The bribed are the ones who make the bribers happy.
There is another side to the coin of bribery == and that is, that the stakes are high enough that threats to oneself or family may be just as, or more, effective than bribes. But the elitists on the top are the bankers themselves, with unlimited "money" in their hands ... I wonder what color their blood is...
Thanks Jon!
I am surprised that these "hero scientists" aren't chomping at the bit to show off for the cameras. Maybe they can also show us how in God's name they were now able to isolate polio from sewage water in NY and were able to trace it back to "patient zero". Polio is now the new disease du jour - the symptoms are coincidentally identical to a myriad of other conditions namely vaccine injury. It's so frustrating that people still can't get it through their heads that all of this constant "virus" fear mongering is just propaganda.
This intense push to vaccinate every man, woman, and child reminds me of what Rudolf Steiner predicted in 1917 in his lecture called, "the Fallen Spirits' Influence on the World". Steiner stated: "I have told you that the spirits of darkness are going to inspire their human hosts, in whom they will be dwelling, to find a vaccine that will drive all inclination towards spirituality out of people's souls when they are still very young, and this will happen in a roundabout way through the living body. Today, bodies are vaccinated against one thing and another; in future, children will be vaccinated with a substance which it will certainly be possible to produce, and this will make them immune, so that they do not develop foolish inclinations connected with spiritual life — ‘foolish’ here, of course, in the eyes of materialists." - 1917
This is a little off topic, but the same can be said for archeologists who are writing our "history". The average person does not have access to their discoveries and we have no idea what was really at any archeology site and what had been hidden from the public.
Thanks for your continued efforts and incisive thinking Jon.
It is interesting that so many writers researchers etc who have all been anti-vax and who understand the Reset and the globalists’ role in this shamdemic are all almost in unison or lockstep now writing specifically about ‘there is a virus, those of you who don’t acknowledge that are hurting our cause.’
When many people suddenly go off making the same point at the same time my antennae go up.
Thanks again. Love the podcasts.
Yep, that's really frustrating to see. I've tried engaging on this topic with some of those writers you're referring to, either on their forums or via email. Censored and no reply are the responses, respectively, every time. There's a wall up.
It appears to me that there's a psychological need for even those who think they're 'awake' to believe that all the evil began in 2020, and they wish to return to life before as if everything was good. This truth we're discussing is just too destructive to that naive worldview. It takes strength to see the big lies.
I agree with the analysis right up to the control. That one is harder (necessary but harder.) Most animals and humans contain viral particles so it seems to me a sample from someone not sick with any viral symptoms would need to be taken and then ALL viral particles in that person would need to be sequenced and identified to be certain unknowns weren’t floating in their system. Many types of cancers cells can be facilitated by viral infections - not always causing cancer but they can trigger such cells to form. So a cancer patient could very well harbor viral particles. The symptoms of SARS-COv-2 are very much like flu symptoms although there does appear to be some after effects that we don’t see in influenza infections. But your point that the isolation processes in the paper referred to are sloppy is well taken. Other labs globally claim to have isolated the virus correctly and we would need to examine the processes from each of those claims. It would be a good thing to do these days but not likely. My personal take on all of this is if you get sick find an honest practitioner of some form of medicine who will treat you and move on. Or if you are one of those honest practitioners, treat yourself and move on. Say “no” to declarations of emergencies and to mandates and fight the tyranny.
Perfect, Jon.
One argument I've read is that the "original" SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist anymore in the wild. Which means that any future isolation would be of a variant, which, they insist, are very different. If this is true, then there is no way to purify and isolate the original virus. Which is very convenient.
Another argument, "you can buy SARS-CoV-2 from a library of viruses. If there wasn't a virus, they couldn't sell it." I think this "library" sells software, not a real virus. It seems there are laboratories that grow and sell microbes. I'm sure there are a million regulations to make sure a virus so deadly as the original SARS-CoV-2 is not sold to a random person who wants to buy it, for "citizens' research" purposes.
Or maybe it is easy to buy a vial with a colored liquid and a label that reads "ORIGINAL SARS-CoV-2" and there is no regulation applies, because it does not contain a virus. It is just a piece of glass in a tubular shape with colored water and letters writen on it. There is no danger in a regular fraud with thousands of years of history: selling counterfeits. But if there is no original, then it is not even a counterfeit.
These two bad reasonings indicate a damaged intelligence.
Except that it's pretty clear at this point from Christine Massey's work that if anyone had an actual sample of a "covid-19" virus we'd have seen such a confirmation by now. Nope, all they have are software-generated simulations.
That first 'argument' isn't an argument. Come up with an isolate of ANY virus from patient samples. They can't. The lie is so big and blatant, that's why it persists. Too big to fail.
Seems true. The people who know they are following bioinformatics and not analytic chemistry should come clean and explain why they think that this is a valid description of a real microbe in the real world. But I think most microbiologists don't even realize they are being bamboozled by a clever computer fraud, and many wrong assumptions. The psychological need to defend their own territory is very strong. If they ever realize their state, they quietly go to the side of the deniers. Unless they are engaged in politics, which freezes people's minds.
And so, everyone has to live their own life to the best of their abilities, gaining moral autonomy along the way.
I think what they sell is this: combine monkey cells and human cells, starve cells of an essential growth requirement, once cells die, collect liquid and sell as "virus stock."
Have done cell culture for 30yrs including 15yrs training Big Pharma "virologists." Cells typically require 10% Fetal Bovine Serum (FBS) for healthy growth- the "virus production" protocol reduces FBS concentration to 1%, thus starving the cells. In some instances, growth in absence of FBS is desirable- in those cases, cells must slowly be weaned off FBS over a period of weeks as sudden withdrawal of FBS always leads to cell death. Even a slow weaning off of FBS results in a majority of cells dying- for virologists to claim this cytopathic effect is due to a virus is patent nonsense.
1)The part where you recognize the absence of any control in the virologists soup is very impactful. 2) I've invented a car that runs on human urine, but my Pee-hicle is being suppressed. My Pee-hicle would break the oil-o-garky (sorry).
Doing real science is a revolution ….
I think if honesty and transparency where allowed in the virus labs, not their secrecy, none of them would have a paycheck. And the fact checkers would be caught with their pants down again. The keen challenger with his money would not have to be such an ass wipe, no then again he might have to be. But at least the big world hospital reality would now crumble to the ground. Crumble. Crumble. Crumble.
This article, by Mike Stone at his excellent viroliegy.com site, https://viroliegy.com/2022/08/08/rabies-the-virus-of-fear/ , is perhaps as close to what Jon is demanding as we can hope to get right away (for the rabies "virus"). He goes through the history of the disease, including the changing diagnostic criteria (and their unreliability). Virology: the more you look, the fraudulent it looks.
Sanjoy, thanks for the link to that article. Great information!
Well and truly said!
My only small disagreement is about the proper control experiment. Better than using the same procedure without a sample from a person is using a sample from a healthy person; or, even better (and as Andrew Kaufman suggested in his comments), using a sample from a person declared ill with a different illness. I'd vote for influenza, since they (the sociopaths and their shills) keep insisting that "Covid is not the flu."
STUDY: “…We used both NP and OP swab specimens for virus isolation. For isolation, limiting dilution, and passage 1 of the virus, we pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 2–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 1 and serially diluted 2-fold across the plate…”
No Negative Control or Positive Control. Should be, "pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 1, and 3–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 2 and serially diluted 2-fold across columns 2-11, with column 12 receiving no specimen, only serum-free DMEM, hence a negative control, and column 1, a positive control, a known virus. However, as they have no "known virus control," this experiment has neither a negative or positive control- trash.
Science 101- an experiment without controls is worthless. Example: Take one banana, spit on it, set it in sun for 10 days, examine now rotted banana, then announce spit causes bananas to rot. Not buying it? That's what virologists do, no controls. Now the proper experiment with controls: Take 2 bananas, spit on one, set them both in sun for 10 days, both rot, therefore spit cannot be said to cause bananas to rot. That's the entire "Have viruses been proven to exist?" argument- it's not complicated.
Actually, John F. Enders, in his 1954 publication, The cultivation of the poliomyelitis viruses in
tissue culture, which contains the cytopathic effect (CPE) procedure now widely used by virologists to "prove" a virus, did proper treated and untreated controls, stating in the paper, "it was evident that the cytopathogenic effect of the virus could be directly and easily observed in the untreated culture." In other words, cells died (bananas rotted) whether he "spit on them" or not, therefore disproving spit as the cause of cell death. Yet, the world was shut down based on claim of having spit on one banana.
These days they are "overdoing" the false isolation part. In the XIX century they had no electron microscopy, no ultracentrifuges, no computers and they falsely isolated viruses much better.
Microbiologists should try to repeat exactly the methods used in the 1800s, and see if they find anything at all. That would be very funny.